Breaking Free: A Modern Divorce Podcast

“Dirty John: Narcissism & Control Over Money in Romantic Relationships with Divorce Financial Expert, Lili Vasileff” on Breaking Free: A Modern Divorce Podcast #142

May 6, 2019

On this episode Rebecca Zung, Esq. and Susan Guthrie, Esq. talk with leading financial expert, Lili Vasileff about the "Dirty John" phenomena and more tales of narcissism and financial abuse in romantic relationships.

The Los Angeles Times series and podcast "Dirty John" is only 7 episodes long but was downloaded over 10 million times within 6 weeks of its release.  It is so compelling it was recently turned into a hit miniseries on Bravo.  The true crime story of a malignant narcissist and the complex web of lies and deceit that he weaves as he seeks to financially and emotionally destroy his victim.  This story may be an extreme, but cases of financial abuse in romantic relationships abound and leading divorce financial expert, LILI VASILEFF, who you have seen on CNN, CNBC, The Street and Market Watch, has seen it over and over again.  Listen to this episode to hear about cases of financial misconduct that she has seen over the years with her clients and most importantly, to hear from Lili how to protect yourself from financial abuse and what to do if you meet a Dirty John! 

To learn more about Lili Vasileff and her firm, Divorce and Money Matters, LLC, please visit her website  To receive a copy of Lili's handout on "Tips for How to Keep Your Financial Information Secure" please email her at  If you would like to enter the sweepstakes to receive a free copy of Lili's best-selling book “Money & Divorce, The Essential Road Map to Mastering Financial Decisions” please send an email with your contact information to  Entries for the sweepstakes will end on May 17, 2019.

If you would like to purchase a copy of Lili's books, please click through to Amazon here.


Breaking Free Mediation:

For more information about BREAKING FREE MEDIATION, Rebecca and Susan's mediation centers which are the first in the country to offer traditional divorce mediation services along with a mindfulness track, please visit Breaking Free Mediation offers services both in person in Los Angeles, Chicago, Naples and Greenwich (More locations coming soon!) as well as nationwide via an online platform. 

To get your FREE 5 minute calming meditation from BREAKING FREE MEDIATION and our mindfulness expert, renowned meditation expert, Scott Picard, who has been featured in Vogue and the Los Angeles Times, please visit 

To get your copy of Rebecca's bestselling book, Breaking Free: A Step by Step Guide to Achieving Emotional, Physical and Spiritual Freedom, please visit the Amazon website at

B.Y.E. DIVORCE RETREATS - as recently announced, REBECCA, SUSAN AND GABRIELLE HARTLEY are partnering to bring you the B.est Y.ou E.ver Divorce Retreats, which will feature inspirational and practical help for women going through divorce as well as those who are still recovering from the process!  Many of our podcast guests will be featured, including: JENNIFER GIAMO speaking on fitness and TAMMI LEADER FULLER speaking on resilience and reigniting your fire.  We will also be featuring financial guru LILI VASILEFF on protecting your finances during and after divorceERIN LEVINE on taking control of the divorce process in a financially accessible way, JUDY HERBST on dating after divorce, PLUS a LIVE broadcast of BREAKING FREE:  A MODERN DIVORCE PODCAST, featuring celebrity divorce attorney, LAURA WASSER.   Don't miss this life changing, inspirational and powerful event!   SIGN UP RIGHT HERE:

Sponsors and Resources:

For more information from our Sponsor Online Counseling, offering convenient and private online access to licensed therapists from the comfort of your own home, visit  Listeners of the podcast will receive 10% off on their first month of counseling with discount code "BREAKINGFREE"!

For information on the premiere co-parenting app FAYR visit their website at  Don't forget to use the code "BRKFREE!" for 20% off!!



YOU CAN SPONSOR BREAKING FREE: A MODERN DIVORCE PODCAST TOO!  In order to continue to bring great content and keep advertisements to a minimum, we have established a sponsorship opportunity for our listeners on Patreon!  Click here to become a supporter!  



Don't forget to follow BREAKING FREE: A MODERN DIVORCE PODCAST on social media for updates and inside tips and information:


If you want to see the video version of the podcast episodes they are available on YouTube and on video page of Susan's website

Finally, we'd really appreciate it if you would visit iTunes and give us a 5 Star Rating and tell us what you like about the show - your feedback really matters to us!

DISCLAIMER: The commentary and opinions available on this podcast are for informational purposes only and not for the purpose of providing legal advice. You should contact your attorney to obtain advice with respect to any particular issue or problem.